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[roadrunner]

Did anyone recognize how odd the right-wing gathering's left-wing logo was?



The logo for the weekend rallies derives from century-old communist, socialist and other left-wing designs. They were first employed by the Industrial Workers of the World, a union organization founded by socialists. And in the 1940s it stood for various nations' communist party organizations.



The 912 Project is the antidote to the "socialist" (some say "communist") policies of an increasingly more invasive and controlling US government. So why is it that Glenn Beck has adopted long standing labor movement symbols in the 912 Project logo? Some coincidences are hard to ignore.

Unity and resistance are what the fist represented in 1917, when it was first employed by the Industrial Workers of the World, a union organization founded by socialists. And in the 1940s, when it stood  for various nations' communist party organizations.

 That's also what it meant when it was revived in the 1960s, appearing as a symbol for the SDS, as well as anti-war and feminist movements. It was the basis for the black-power salute given by John Carlos and Tommie Smith at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. And today, it's the symbol for the Progressive Labor Party, a political outfit whose website says it "fights to smash capitalism."

[David]

The leftist connotation is unfortunate, however in addition to that Wikipedia has the following:

Generally the fist is regarded as an expression of solidarity, strength or defiance.

However you do have a variation. Two black fists with a white fist. One stands for black power the other for Aryan power, so on balance this is more a Black Power poster than an Aryan poster.

What is of interest to me is whether or not the artist or art buyer knew what the various Raised Fists mean in different parts of the world?

David

[Christie]

Well, lemme see--perhaps Beck is trying to discredit himself by using that 3-fisted, radical symbology on his sign?--perhaps that's also why he wore a black suit, white shirt[CIA 'stooge'?], and an orange[Gold Angel, in French--supposedly used, and beloved, by the occult-loving 'illuminated ones'] tie today on his show?--hmmmm--

--and, perhaps that's also why, when played backwards, a recording of Beck, from one of his tv shows, has him saying, "I am a trained Nazi"--maybe?--I dunno--I'm just wondering about all this--like, when he seemed to be trying to discredit himself the time he said that the two brothers, who founded Acorn, looked like 2 "007" adversaries from a James Bond movie--maybe, he was trying to make everyone believe he was so ridiculously shallow that he wasn't really worth listening to--possibly?--or---

--was he possibly attempting to discredit himself by borrowing the image of that famous rattlesnake used on the Revolutionary War flag, "Don't Tread On Me", and using it to help explain the sections of a plan he thought up himself--showing himself to be totally unoriginal, so not worth listening to at all?--

--I am not really totally making fun here, though---at least with some of those I mentioned, above[ok--maybe the 'I am a trained Nazi' was poking some fun--and, maybe mentioning the snake on the flag was, too--and, maybe the suit, shirt and tie color bit, also--but, that's all--I think ]--because, I really am disturbed at seeing that awful 3-fisted 'salute' logo, from the "Meet me in DC" sign Beck chose to use, too--to me, it does smack too much of the 1917 Russian "Bolshevik Revolution" imagery--but, probably because I'm a 'bit' old, and can remember how nervous many of us were during the Cold War years, thanks to those who seized power in Russia after that Revolution was over[remember Leon Trotsky, and the horrid ice-pick-in-the-brain way he died--the revolutionaries hunted that man down to do that to him, too ]--

--but, does it indicate--[supposedly, like his tie color might indicate, to someone who fears there's a genuine conspiracy going on right under our noses, to kill us all, and take over the country, all behind our very backs! ]--that he's really just another shill for the CIA--trying to stir up nothing but trouble for our dear, newly elected prezident?--

--well, I definitely hope not!--but, then, I used to like FDR, too, so what do I know?[not to mention Harry Truman!]

--

[pippin]

C'mon, he was just trying to make the Left Wingers feel at home.

[Winter]

Glen Beck is a Mormon...who knows what it means to him.

I see the fist here as not...."Power to the People", but "Power to WE The PEOPLE!"

Sometimes I view this forum as deeply divided politically.  Well DUH, it is.  I think I must fall in the middle somewhere.  I tend to look at things from all perspectives, from a non partial stance.


I may or may not know a more Eclectic group of people than most here. What I found so interesting is that the views from both the left and right sometimes forget that their fellow disenchanted members may be fighting alongside them for totally different reasons.

I live in a large area, very political.  Most Judges are Right wing but the politics are divided among the rest.

The protesters here at the first round of modern tea parties were pretty evenly mixed with both liberals and conservatives. 

Quite a few pagans around here home school their little heathens. They are usually green, hate big government, and they see many things in the latest bill as intrusive.  Schools in the south are normally not that nice to pagan kids. They were among the protesters.

 I would not really call all this civil unrest in the country as those for God vrs those for  "Anti Chirst" Obama.  It is too complex for that.

 Not that you guys do,  But I noticed that image being portrayed by some who are extreme.  I guess extreme would be the key word.  And by the pro Obama group too.  You cant paint everyone with the same brushstroke.


I have an even mix of friends as far as political views go.

There are plenty of single liberal women who voted for him that are angry right now, Pointing out how he has flip flopped back and forth on the single payer health plan. Divorced women with grown kids, widows, never married, lesbians, I've been listening to major liberals  who all attend a Unitarian church.  Yep, they are pissed.   

Heck, I think it was Roseanne Barr that said recently, "Obama, Don't piss off the granny vote!  We put you there!" 

if you think about it, the president does not have as much power as we give him credit for. Well, except for when Bush attacked the Constitution, that's another story. I see a large part of politics as just a game.

It's going to be a long term for Obama.  I just hope people do become so angry and entrenched that they waste all their energy fighting, the left, right, and in between,  unnecessarily.  Divide and conquer tactic by the elites?  Don't accept any wooden horses.


I am glad that we live in a country where we can still protest.  Try that in China and see what happens.

And I was glad to that the protesters did not trash the place.  Parks and recreation said they were the cleanest group they had ever seen.

And I hope Obama realizes you cannot flip flop and please all the people, all the time.

He learned from the school speech fiasco, so he changed the title and content, less complained.  I saw nothing wrong with it.

I hope for the sake of the country, he finds that middle ground. 

[David]

Ah, come on Winter, you're making too much sense, have some fun with it.

[roadrunner]

I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he chose that image. He's the one who's been ranting on about the symbolism of buildings lately, and remember the uproar about the Obama fist jab, how it was a sign of black revolt or some such thing. For him to now choose a fist as his symbol is very interesting.

[djeaton]

I don't know who you are talking about with the "he" reference, but this was not a Glenn Beck event.  It was organized by the FreedomWorks Foundation.  This is their corporate "logo"


The logo you reference was on some hats and t-shirts that they sold, but is an event graphic, not some corporate logo of those involved.  And, if you go to http://912dc.org/ and look at the sponsors, neither Glenn Beck nor his show are listed.  All this is just another distraction to try to discredit Glenn Beck.  Because he reported on it, he must have been responsible for it.  ACORN tried to do the same thing with all those damaging tapes by claiming that Fox did them.  It's all smoke and mirrors.
D.

[djeaton]

This is funny


Now Glenn Beck is "bad for America".  LOL  You can read the Time article here.  I guess anyone that states what a large part of the population believes in a public way is now "dangerous" and a "mad man".  
D.

[roadrunner]

Large part of the population? Beck’s 3 million viewers represent just 1 percent of the U.S. population.

That picture of Beck just about says it all, he's an arrogant ass that is preaching discord and hate. If that's the sort of preacher you listen to, you will become the same.

[pippin]

  And while you're at rr..don't forget 'Founding Father's' is code for racists.   

[djeaton]

Large part of the population? Beck’s 3 million viewers represent just 1 percent of the U.S. population.

Other than death, there is little that the majority of Americans share.  Can't even say it about taxes any more.  So your comparison against the total population is dumb.  You have to look at it just like a poll.  The sample is a minority, but it represents something larger.  When Glenn Beck has almost 3 million viewers out of 4.7 million views of cable news, it means something.  That is 61.6%. 
Here are the numbers from yesterday (and it really wasn't an interesting show):
5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 2,909,000 viewers (624,000) (1,195,000)
Situation Room—707,000 viewers (130,000) (256,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—566,000 viewers (177,000) (284,000)
Fast Money—253,000 viewers (55,000) (108,000)
Prime News–284,000 viewers (153,000) (168,000)

If you want to look at the number and say that only a minority of people watch TV at 5pm eastern, you'd be right.  But these number don't include those that get their news through the radio, and that is overwhelmingly conservative as well.  You like to pretend that your side has some mandate and your point of view is the majority, but Obama only got 53% of the vote, and only 43% of the white vote.  Turnout was actually lower than predicted as fewer Republicans turned out to the polls.  Using your logic, Obama got 53% of roughly 127 Million votes, and since there are around 360 Million Americans, he only got the vote of 18% of Americans and is a "fringe" candidate representing a "minority".  Still want to go down that trail? 
D.

[roadrunner]

news through the radio, and that is overwhelmingly conservative as well.

Then what's all this talk about the 'liberal' media? From your assessment, the media is conservative. No more complaining about the major news media not covering issues, etc. The conservative news IS the major news media.

[David]

news through the radio, and that is overwhelmingly conservative as well.

Then what's all this talk about the 'liberal' media? From your assessment, the media is conservative. No more complaining about the major news media not covering issues, etc. The conservative news IS the major news media.

ABC, CBS, CNN, the NBCs, PBS, the major newspapers, magazines. That's your mainstream liberal media. Whole networks and publications. DJE is just mentioning individual shows. An obvious difference.

David

[Christie]

Thanks, Daniel, for letting us know that about who ran that DC gathering, and who it was that was really responsible for that Bolshevik-style poster--I keep hoping that Beck is a genuinely patriotic American, but, it's things such as him being linked[wrongly] to that poster, that keep me on the edge of my chair--sometimes, I almost expect him to come on his show, then suddenly shout at us, "April Fools!--Gotcha!!"--then, rip off his mask--with him turning out to actually be Al Gore!--too weird, I know --

--but, I really do fear for Beck's safety, and he's even said he fears for his own safety now, too, and, more so, as he goes further into exposing all of the disgusting corruption within the gov.--it's too bad the private sector doesn't also have a "witness relocation program", because I keep fearing that, eventually, he is really going to need to 'drop out of sight', on a permanent basis, thanks to exposing so much of the corruption, and naming names, etc.--unfortunately, people have met their doom who've done far less than he already has.

And, Beck is one of the most funny, and entertaining guys I think I've ever seen in my life--he delivers things up in all seriousness, but, then, uses the humor to help get his points across, and I love that--that's also partially why I love listening to Derek and Sharon's PIDRadio show!---and, with Beck, half the time I'm laughing at how cute his antics really are, and the other half admiring how he can suddenly switch from clowning, to straight-faced and deadly serious, practically in the blink of an eye--

--but, I genuinely pay attention to what he is telling us about what's going on--I held my breath to see if what he was doing had a positive effect on the majority of Americans, and I am so completely overjoyed at how so many people are responding to what he is telling us, and showing us--

--I understand it's more than likely going to prove to be nothing more than a temporary 'holding action', that will enable us to push back against the evils of what's going on due to the liberal/misnamed-progressives, and their completely misguided, and corrupt desires, that are nearly destroying our country--but, I see it as a blessing from God, and an answer to prayer--

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