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[facedown]

Surprise, surprise....

http://www.ethiopianreview.com/news/19967

Seems like celibacy really works. 

[Winter]

Marriage does not seem to work either.  Ever look into how many Protestant ministers are arrested and or convicted?

Here is a Blogger I follow,  her name is Christa Brown. She is a survivor who focuses on Baptist Clergy abuse. http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2010/01/baptists-threw-kids-rattlesnake.html

And their main website: http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

Women of all faiths have one.  There is a great one out there for Catholics as well.

Sexual abuse is not limited to Christianity either.

BTW, I despise the Christian game of "Who has the biggest abusers" like it is some freaking contest.  And I believe 100% that all clergy abuse is grossly unreported.

But this should be an eye opener.

Insurance data shows 260 abuse reports per year for Protestant clergy compared to 228 annually for Catholic priests.

This is just for those who actually spoke out and were believed.  Most are not.

They have this crappy way of shunning and shutting them up with their favorite quote of "Touch not God's anointed".  Most do not even know the context of that verse.  God was telling David not to kill Saul. It had nothing to do with calling out vipers.


God said not to offend a little child.  That theirs is the Kingdom of heaven. That tells me that there are a lot of ministers who will have to answer for "touching God's anointed".

[roadrunner]

I totally agree with you, Winter. You are right, too, in saying that not all sexual abuse is from Christian sources, but I think it's more egregious when Christians do it, as we are supposed to be representing Jesus. Abuse, especially of the children, is so opposed to all that Jesus taught, that it must make Him especially angry when Christians practice it. It makes me think of the OT prophets preaching against Israel for their failure to uphold God's principles, and when He repeatedly calls them out for not caring for the poor and fatherless, but abusing them in some way. That was a major reason for their being hauled away as captives, and it should really make us think twice about what God might do if Christians, who are supposed to be representing Him to the world just as the Jews were, don't repent of their ways and start representing Him more faithfully. If America gets judged, it will be for how we treated our fellow human beings.

[David]

On VFTB 032 Derek and the Collins brothers speak about Sex Magic and the various elitist groups that sexually brutalize children. Yes its horrible when someone we hold high in the faith violates trust and I'm glad they are being caught and prosecuted, however, there is much of this and worse going on outside the church that never sees the light of day.

David 

[Bluehorse]

There's something about sex at a mystical level. I don't think it's at all understood because it is pre-behavioural. It is sexual energy as something in itself and is used both unconsciously and consciously as a bridge to spiritual things. I believe we're for the most part quite ignorant about sex, sexuality, and the physics of sex as a brain modulator. Sex changes people...
What it does is to bridge the physical with the inner spiritual but that can only be understood if we know what we are from a higher perspective. Most people haven't got a clue what they're messing with when messing with sex.

We confuse the romantic and the moral with sex on a deeper level. Those "into" sex magic" know precisely what they are doing. There's nothing new about psycho-sexuality and the energy of angels. On a deeper level this is the meaning of Gen 3.

To put it another way...sex is an energetic portal. We're never taught that because we have no real sex educators. Behaviourists  DESCRIBE EVERYTHING FROM THE "OUTSIDE" and moralists are behaviouists.

The "inner man" is an angel, a "spirit", Biblically, an ophannum. ( Know ye not that ye shall be as the angels?.") Sex is a HUGE MYSTERY. It is the portal of spirits into life in the physical body. In one sense it is so obvious that we miss it. And because we miss it our whole theology about the thing is corrupted by a vast ignorance, bridging WHAT WE ARE WITH WHO WE ARE. There is no more intersting subject. We've been kept in igorance about it because most "theologists" roll over and play dead when when the subject comes up.

It's not enough to take the moral high-ground and spin sexual deviance into politics. That's just stoning the adulteress.

[dean.allen.jones]

This reminds me of the episode of Bones, where the twist in the tale is that the priest was NOT abusing young boys. Truly it is a sad state of affairs. I have some friends who have been abused by those in positions of trust and I personally sufered at the hands of the catholic side of my family. Fortunately the shinto/buhdist side of the family not only took me away and helped me be safe but also made sure I grew up knowing it was wrong to judge an entire Faith just on the actions of a few misguided or down right evil people who claim to follow it

[Bluehorse]

Jesus said people commit adultry "in their hearts". This is true but let's mediatate on it a bit without moral presumptions. A superficial reading of this is "you've broken the law" in your imagination.
Let's go deeper with it. For example, and everyone understands this, people sexually "vibe" on each other ( furtively makes no difference ). One could say that there are a lot of "imaginings" prior to the act itself and at some point knowingly engaging the promptings is seen as a "caving in" to desire regardless of both intent and one's morals, that is, putting the horse before the cart, in an "I'm only human" sort of a way. Bolox.
The scriptures equate sex and knowledge. ( That's the fundamental equation of what people call the occult, or hidden things. ) Christians are rather prissey when it comes to discussing these matters. They should be discussed and some air let into the room as it were. Obviously hiding it hasn't worked. So it's this big sneaky thing until you're found out. Taking a deeper look at sex is important. It should be preached on but pastors as a rule don't know what to say. Bring up sex in a church and the atmosphere becomes fridgid, unless you're morally bashing someone or some thing. It's, well, private...bolox to that too.

As with so many "spiritual things" it's the blind leading the blind. One can discuss economics without others peering into your checkbook.

Let me put it this way...you can look across the room and touch someone with your eyes...they'll turn around and look straight at you. You have, in effect, "touched " them, not figuratively, but litterally. They "felt" it. ( No language required. Only intent. ) Spiritual things respond to spiritual things, usually at the speed of light.

I'd like to put another scripture in an unusal context.. "If the eye be single than the whole body is filled with light." The only light in the body is that of the imagination. It transcends the light of the intellect, is prior to it, and is the wellspring of our desire in all things.
Our concept of "mind" is that it is a hyperstatic collection of functions having no particular order. It's somehow attached to the functions of the brain. The scriptures don't "see" the mind that way. The scriptures see the "mind" as something post the imaginations of the heart, and not necessarily as a "power" of the soul or even an extension of the will, ie "control". Paul says to "put on the mind of Christ", ie, to have an eye single...to be of a single mind. This is also what the Bible means when it speaks of "virginity" or a pure mind and so on.
Here's a few thoughts on it:
When you have sex with someone you are having having sex with everyone they have ever had sex with, qualitatively and quantitatively.
All sex is an initiation into the spiritual realm.
Gross angels are watching if you are not covered by God. Their energies become a part of the experience.
You are enabling angles to leapfrog from soul to soul if the sex is casual.
You are contributing to your own aging by sealing brain pathways to the inner man. That was the real key to the longevity of the patriarchs. Eros and phileo are completely different than charitas and agape. (And I might add, they can be intensly satisfying because there is no fear in them., no double-mindedness.) The BS game of he/she loves me or loves me not is tireing, fruitless, and makes hookers out of people.
Nothing gives love wings like a good solid contract...for as long as it lasts of course...haha
Sex done in the wrong spirit engenders violence. ( You might take note of the reasons for the flood and Christ tying the concept to the last times...they shall be marrying and giving in marriage ...try to tear that one apart....he could have said that they will be screwing their brains out.
Sex is a portal ... into YOU and OUT  of you. It's NOT just about swapping genes. It can BLOW your mind.
And lastly, there is nothing more beautiful than sex. Just like hope denied produces a weary heart, love consummated is joy of life. It can make cowards into strong men and turn anxious confusion into quiet resolve. Well, it speaks for itself doesn't it?

[Winter]

I had a married Catholic friend once talk about her view on sex.  She also viewed it as sacred sex.  A very spiritual act, a type of sacrament, a type of communion.  I will not even begin to try to describe all that she said, she described it so beautifully and I would probably ugly it up.  lol

I was impressed with her candor and almost, dare I say,  jealous. hehe

I agree of course that there is sex magic and perversions.

I know someone at odds with their spouse because of a type of tantric sex.  I think both parties should be on the same page in that case.

I do believe if more things were out in the open,  less horrible things that are hidden, would be. 

Agree with RR as well, though all sex crimes are hideous and scars the soul,  there is an extra level of evil layered on it when it happens at the hands of someone who is supposedly in the God business.  And all crimes of that nature are even more destructive when it happens to a child.   There are adults who lose their faith because of this, you can imagine how it shatters the faith of a child.

And I do not give a damn how many people freak on me for this, but I know plenty of those who went deeply into the occult, that were sexually abused by the church.  Since one side failed them, they went the other way.  It changes a child's perception of good and evil.

There is a rock group that began in my area, that put out a very powerful song,  at least I see it as powerful, because it gives someone who has never experienced this a look from the eyes of a child. He won a ton of fans, both men and women, who this song spoke too.   And he won our respect when he refused to back down and remove a part of this song  as he was asked to.   It may be ugly and harsh, but it is real.  Let everyone see how ugly it is, no sugar coating.

And I like what you shared dean.allen.jones.  It reminds me how some that are not Christians are more Christlike than those who claim to be.

Actually that philosophy was another aid in what I see as a healing process. I realize the world is ugly, ugly things happen, but there is detachment.

It allowed me see not all Christians were responsible and to stop hating them.

Here is that song, maybe I posted it before?  It has an ugly word in it, but what happened to these people is much uglier.

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[David]

The relationship between a man and woman mirrors the relationship between God and man. Of course Satan's going to pervert that relationship as many way as he can. Yes, sexual sins scar and Satan goes straight for the heart and mind in order to condemn the soul. Robbing Jesus Christ of as much of His bride he can.

Satan targets children because, according to a Geo. Barna poll, children ages 5 to 13 have a 32% probability of becoming a Christian. Children ages 14 and up only have a 4% probability, and it never really gets much higher than 6% rest of their lives.

Children are also nearly 1/3 of the world's population. Where do you think Satan's going to work? That's the mission field that my wife and I have been called to serve. The ripest field with the best return on investment there is. How many children might benefit from having Jesus living in their hearts when tragedy strikes? Who's with me to introduce as many children we can to Jesus?

David

[Winter]

I call the picking on of the children their "belief inoculation".

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