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[facedown]

Now where his rapture prediction for May 2009 failed I wonder what he is doing now. I mean how do those guys who always come up with new revelations and predictions who never come true deal with these disappointments and how are they able to keep their followers happy?
Do their followers not start to question these people if they have been wrong one or more times? 
I think it's pretty foolish if somebody has been wrong with his stuff to keep listening to him and then simply cling on to the next prediction which he makes and then hoping that this one will be correct. That's self-deception.

[Christie]

So far as I know Dr. Flynn didn't predict a Rapture of the Church in May of 2009--he came up with some very amazing mathematical figures drawn from certain dates, and certain mileage between the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to other locations at which things had occurred that were directly associated with the Jewish people, and to Jerusalem, and Israel, that were mind-blowingly stunning--and, he did say that July 11th, 2009[or, was it July 9th?--I'm just not good at remembering numbers!] left 1260 days until 12/21/2012, and that, possibly, the first half of the tribulation might begin on July 11th[or9th] of last year, and the 2 witnesses mentioned in Revelation might be preaching beginning on that date in last July, and be killed on 12/21/2012, then rise from the dead on Christmas Day--12/25/2012, thus beginning in ernest the worst half of the tribulation period of God's wrath directed at disobedient, rebellious mankind that are still here on earth--

---BUT, Dr. Flynn never said the tribulation did occur last year, nor did he ever claim that the Church would be Raptured out of here during May of last year--I post on Dr. Flynn's board these days, and even though I'm lousy at understanding all of the wonderful mathematical calculations that he comes up with, I fully respect his work, and honestly do believe he is definitely on to something important due to his calculations--and, he's had to defend against accusations concerning some of the dates found in his work, etc.--but, mostly from those who really haven't read his work, or understand what he's been saying about his calculations--

--for instance--even though last July didn't seem to usher in the first part of the Tribulation period, maybe the figures point to the fact--possibly--that the nwo characters, who follow and worship satan, [while wanting to believe satan is the 'real God']--that it's those gnostic unbelievers who might be trying to make Christians believe the tribulation period had begun last July--why?--because they know we believe what it says in Daniel and Revelation--they don't--but, they might be attempting to make us believe that in order to try and manipulate us for their own sinful reasons, or gain--gaining control over others is one of their goals, after all--also, they are looking to usher in their own version of Jesus Christ, in the person of the anti-Christ, who will attempt to fool us all into believing that he is really the genuine Messiah/Christ Jesus--

--yet, while they're trying to make it appear to Christians that the Tribulation has begun, God is still working to bring the entire world to the point at which the real Tribulation period will begin, unbeknownst to the occult adherents/gnostic unbelievers who make up the 'elitist' new world order cast of characters--

--I don't honestly know, but it's just one idea, and something to think about--like that Hegelian dialectic possibly being pulled on us all--I believe that is quite possible--I agree with what Sharon said in her and Derek's PID broadcast for January 31st, about what really might be taking place, with Obama being "the Hoover"-type president set in place in order to upset us into voting him out, but voting whom the nwo people really want in that office--someone whom we might wish we'd been wise enough to avoid voting in, no matter how awful Obama really is as a genuine president of this country--

--to me, we really might be being unconsciously manipulated by those who are behind the nwo--but, I know of no way to prove such a thing--so, I just plan on keeping my eyes and ears open, and stick closer and closer to Christ Jesus, as this entire end times scenario plays itself out--and, do as much as I can to work for the Lord Jesus in this world, before I leave it, whenever God Almighty is ready for me to do so.

[hardamber]

Facedown, I'm not sure where you got your information about what David Flynn predicted.  I never read anything like that and I am a regular poster at his forum.  The guy is a genius and an original thinker.  He is looking at the tribulation beginning in 2012 along with Tom Horn.

[facedown]

I heard Flynn is basing his work on occult stuff from occult people. If this is true then you can smoke his findings in a pipe, if you ask me.

[Christie]

Face, that's a fine thing to say about someone whom you do not even know anything about, especially first hand, nor do you even know any of his work from personal experience--I believe Dr. Flynn's work is helping God's people to better understand God's hand in all things, including quite possibly the building of that Great Pyramid, and his work is demonstrating to us God's unmistakable hand that is so obviously present in the founding and maintaining of Jerusalem, itself, and it's relationship to the rest of the entire world--

--but, if you fear being contaminated in some way by even reading any of Dr. Flynn's work, and if you consider him not to be a genuine believer in, and follower of, Jesus Christ, then, by all means, avoid his work at all costs.

[Winter]

I just read the document.  TBH I do not know that much about men like Flyn or follow them.

However, in his defense, why would a person not talk to people in the occult if they are going to write about it?  Why not go to the source instead of making up ridiculous things or writing misinformed?  Those kind of articles and books make others in the occult laugh, or think the writer/speaker does not know what they are talking about so why should they listen to anything that person has to say?!

Jesus did not shun.   He spoke with everyone, murderers, whores, thieves, etc.....Isn't there a verse somewhere that says..."Come let us reason together?"

That's the reason people like Kennedy  make it on my cool list, he is one of the few.  He does not shun and is not afraid to talk to others that most Christians will not go near.  I have more respect for people like him.   There is a HUGE difference between reasoning together and agreeing with someone's doctrine.

And looking back from an historical viewpoint, alchemy at one time WAS SCIENCE!  LOL

[facedown]

I did not say that this article is right. But I am generally sceptical of people who make fanastic claims and who have to keep finding out new things because otherwise they can't write new books. In this business you are basically doomed to come up with new stuff all the time.

[Winter]

You have a point there.   The public does seem to be unforgiving.  I am sure writers like him are under a lot pf pressure.

Reminds me of the lyrics to an old Manson song,

They love you when you're on all the covers.
When you're not then they love, another. 

[facedown]

The people should be critical and not forget to use their brains.
If a prophet has been wrong once then you should forget him and if a sensationalist has been wrong before then keep listening to his new findings also makes no sense unless of course you're in for the thrill and simply want to believe in sensational stuff.

[Winter]

Back in the OT days, a prophet who was wrong did not get a second chance.  His death was rather gruesome. 

[Christie]

Well, I'm not sure what to say to you, Face, concerning the sources Dr. Flynn uses--I have no idea about Isaac Newton's personal beliefs, either, since I never knew much aobout him or his work before now, and I still don't know much about it really--all I know is that Dr. Flynn's work is amazing in it's calculations that sucessfully demonstrate that God meant for the Temple Mount to be the area on earth where His presence would always remain--tying that very spot within the Temple Mount to Himself, and to heaven, forever--and, by measuring distances from that spot on the Temple Mount to various cities and locations around the world, at which certain things occured that were directly associated with Israel, and with Christ, using nautical miles to measure the distances for occurances that took place after Christ's resurrection, and ascent back into heaven--or all A.D. dates--and, using statute miles to measure all things connected to Israel prior to the birth of Christ---all B.C. dates--it's totally astounding to find within the mileage from the Temple Mount to each spot on earth of significance to Israel and to Christ, the exact YEAR represented in miles that each occurance took place--

--now, what you are saying is that, Dr. Flynn's sources are occult in nature, including Isaac Newton's work, therefore he should not be using it--and, I might agree with you about that, if I hadn't read in that same artilcle you provided us the link to, that nowhere has there ever been found any evidence linking Isaac Newton to the occult-practicing FreeMasons that proved Newton to be one of them--and, due to my finding out about how those same FreeMason/occultists/illuminists have managed to associate other people with their organization, after those people had died--some rather famous people, too--using their names to further their own occutlitic causes, it makes their claims about anyone in the distant past as being occult practiioners with them, highly dubious, and very suspect!--

--so, if they claim Isaac Newton was 'one of them', I'd almost have to ignore their claim until proof positive could be found to support what they say--however, whether any of us who claim Christ as Lord and Savior should ever be looking into such subjects, as the 'prisca sapientia, especially while using occultic sources by which to do so, I truly do suspect that you might very well be right about that one--I had simply never heard about that objection before now--but, I do steer clear of occult-run websites, and will not use info found on a website that is run by a non-Christian 'escapee' from the clutches of the occult/illuminatii, either, since just reading that information I am  literally physcially repelled by it--so, I've been considering that reaction to that information as coming from our heavenly Father, and I try to refrain from ever even mentioning the name of that website to anyone else, due to that, as well.

[David]

Back in the OT days, a prophet who was wrong did not get a second chance.  His death was rather gruesome. 

What about Jonah?

[Winter]

Back in the OT days, a prophet who was wrong did not get a second chance.  His death was rather gruesome. 

What about Jonah?

Ah, a whale of a tale.

[Bluehorse]

I don't understand: where does Jonah play the role of "false prophet"? My impression is that he was the "reluctant prophet"? Was Jonah "the prophet", or was the "book of Jonah" the prophet? I can see it both ways. Christ certainly interpreted it that way. He called the Book of Jonah a "sign". And He inferred that Jerusalem was Ninevah.  Jesus Himself had to "set his face" to go to Jerusalem. On a deep level He was also the "reluctant prophet". ( "Take this cup from me." ) Do you really think that the Ninevites could behave according to the customs of the Jews? Ninevah the city was also flat as a pancake wasn't it? How could Jonah watch the city from a "high grade"? in my guess an allusion to the Mount of Olives. Ninevah just plays the role of the "wicked city"... that "stoned prophets". Who knows how many bones of prophets lay in THAT City. I doubt one could even estimate.
The story of the gourd is interesting. What seemed to anger Jonah was "doing good".. God showed him that he could appreciate the lowly gourd, it's "goodness" being only that it cast a shadow as some protection from the sun. Jonah was likely full of righteousness. He needed to see the sheer "goodness" of God. It's also the story of the transformation of a prophet. Don't most Christians go through just such a transformation? In the end it is the love of God which remains. Most of us are of course a mixture.
Is it absurd to say that we have been swallowed by a fish? Can not Christians testify to having been in the belly of the whale? and do they not "go to Ninevah", ultimately learning of God's goodness, love, Providence, and compassion. That is what will remiain. It's the story of how the least becomes the "greatest".

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