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[Christie]

HI Winter!  Well, from what you've just said, I would not be surprised to find out that the Lord has genuinely blessed your child, and given him such tremendous insight into such things--out of the mouths, and dreams and drawings of babes, huh?!  I think it really might be so!--and, I'm not kidding, either--

--because, as I have been looking at pics from those Mars explorers recently, I've been noticing what really do appear to be ugly, twisted 'faces' trapped within the rock formations on the surface of that planet--and, those 'faces' are not like the carvings of faces I've seen pictures of, like the one entitled, "The Crowned Face on Mars"--these are very different from those that appear to be actually carved into the rock sides of mountains on Mars, and those carved faces are simply astounding to me!--[here is a link to pics of that Crowned Face on Mars, so you can see what I mean!]

http://herotwins.hypermart.net/Crowned/CrownedFace.htm

--but, this has all really given me pause to consider why in the world those ugly, twisted-looking faces should be so visible to us, as we look at those kinds of pictures, and also as to just why they really might not fall into the silly category of the "What I see in clouds" type of game we used to play as children--at least to me, anyway! --because, not long ago, someone on another message board posted a Google map of the Mediterranean sea floor, off the coast of Turkey, and the subject was about the Abyss, where the angels who rebelled against God had been locked up--

--so, as I was searching, using that sea floor feature from Google, I thought I began seeing strange looking, ugly, distorted type faces there on the seabed, in the actual sea floor rock or mud, between some of those islands, like Crete, etc.--[now, I don't even know that area or the names of all of those ancient Greek islands, so I am thinking that one of them was named Crete]--but, whatever their names, the more I looked, the more of those oddball twisted, grimacing 'faces' I seemed to be finding on the seabed!--it was wild!--

--and, I was going to bring that up on that message board, too, but I chickened out, fearing that the other posters would think I just had an overly active imagination, or something--now, though, after seeing those same types of twisted, grimacing faces there in the stone surface of Mars in those photos, I am sort of kicking myself for not saying what I thought I'd seen on the bottom of the Mediterranean!

Because, your idea, roadrunner, was actually one along the same lines as the idea that came to me, too--what if--after being locked into that Abyss by God's holy angels on God's orders, those same fallen creatures' features can be seen in the rock, or dirt/mud of the sea floor, and even on the surface of Mars, as though they have been trapped in the rock--or, they can be seen by us as though they are looking up, and out of that Abyss, through the rock surfaces?!

Which might lead to another question--in what dimension is that Abyss located?!--because, for those creatures twisted faces to be able to appear in the rock formations on both earth, and Mars, and they are located within that Abyss--the Abyss could not merely be located in one, physical location, such as the middle of the earth--or, could it?!--

--which really makes something very obvious--this entire subject is really way beyond my ability to grasp, including the idea of other dimensions, and things like that--I'm just not equipped to grapple with a subject this complex, I'm afraid!  

[Bluehorse]

Saturn was the Chaldean "hidden One" . Saturn and "mystery" are one in meaning. As "mystery"  signifies a hidden system, so does its correlative "Saturn" signify "the hidden god". In other words "saturn" is the god Nimrod. In Chaldean, S..T..U..R  is 666, even if pronounced Satur, since it consisted of four letters. The Chaldean system came to Rome and Rome was first called Saturnia...that was it's original name.
These Chaldeans E. Martin calls "The People Time Forgot". To this day Cardinals wear the "saturno", that flat-brimmed hat representing Saturn.

Whither Saturn should be equated with the Greek Chronos I can't say. There's some confabulation. In the Greek system the Titans seem to be inclusive of Saturn...and Hesiod tells us Iapetus was the mother of Prometheus.

Saturn killed Jupiter with a scythe, his father according to some. He castrated him, ensuring that Celus, or Jupiter, wouldn't have any progeny. It's easy to see this story is veiled. In the Hebrew myth of Cain and Abel, certain elements in the story have parallels. We're not told how Cain killed Abel, but it was bloody, it was likely about progeny, and Cain, like Saturn was "agrarian" in typology. Osirus, in Egyptian myth was also "cut up into pieces", and castrated. Somehow, these stories are all oddly similar, sharing various ritual elements, one adding something to the story and another taking it away.

Just as Isis appears to have demanded circumcision both in memory of Osirus' ordeal
and that men should share in the pains of childbirth so did the Chaldeans demand either castration or celibacy, depending on one's level of induction into the "mysteries".

It doesn't take much to realize that the Papal system is the legal representative of Saturn on earth. What ties these streams together is "paradise lost", innocence before the first murder, equated with "the golden age of saturn", a drama with a number of "acts", a  drama which we call the "FALL". Being too literal about these stories in fact ruins them. Sometimes useless facts about things are the essence of the story: evaluating these things can be nothing but a labyrinth.

If the lunar cycle is 28 days and the Saturn cycle is 28 years: there you have it. A YEAR FOR A DAY. And, if a "day is as a thousand years", the whole cycle of "time" is 28,000 years.

In my understanding, Cain was given the right to rule over the earth. So, I'm not bashing Catholics. The "men in black" have taken many forms in our world: you'll find them wherever "jurisprudence" is "king". The best book I think written on the subject of "rule over iniquity" was by Tupper Saussy. You'll also find the Pillar of Saturn in the Jewish Temple...the pillar of "severity" as opposed to "mercy".

I wonder if Gilgal isn't how the ancients envisioned the planet Saturn, rather like a spoked wheel. I do believe that the Egyptians had crude optical lens. ( the eye of Horus )

[Bluehorse]

There's an interview with a fellow named Ken Klien coming up on Coast to Coast on Feb 23 I believe. It's regarding the "host of darkness" spoken about by Paul in Ephesians ... I like Klien's take on things so this is a blatant advertisment to listen. It's very seldom I ever listen to Coast to Coast but Klien should pick it up a bit. The reason I like him is that I think he has the "angel thing" right for the most part. I think it's the major topic of our day and Klien brings some serious theology to the table. For those interested in spiritual anatomy, the nature of the fall, and the Enoch materials, this is a sort of must listen. You won't hear anything quite like it elsewhere and it is gauranteed to resonate with some around here who take a real interest in angels, their origins, nature, and interactive functions. You may see some scriptures come alive in ways before unconsidered. Klien is extremely knowledgeable in many areas and explains his insights clearly.  Very listenable dude...who also has great interest in the pyramids and the career of Enoch. He might be right....but it is necessary to hear of these matters in a non-preachy sort of way on the one hand and on the other hand in a non wildly speculative way. Very ballanced stuff I think.
I think Klien blows a lot of the current ballarenas off the stage. So, there you have it: my one and only posted advertisement. I don't know how deep he'll get into it given the audience, but if you don't know a zith from a zam it could be interesting for you.

[Winter]

Thanks for the heads up.  I used to listen to Coast to Coast all the time.  Now I am more selective, sounds interesting.

[roadrunner]

I think the Saturn cycle is 29.5 years, but I may be wrong on that.

Speaking of wheeled images, take a look at this Sumerian image and note not just the spoked detail, but the fish god and the flying whatever it is with people in it  

[Bluehorse]

Sorry, my bad...a lunar cycle is 29.5 days.

[Bluehorse]

First of all, it's reminiscent of a cartoon of a cartoon ... without the "bam" it's meaningless...one doesn't form a gestalt of the separate elements. Some of the elements may be in a different time, sequence of action, or have other meanings , especially  when juxtraposed in a single frame. Nor, in the case of a seal, do we not only not know the antecedent linguistic components, neither do we understand why the elements exist in a single cartoon. We don't have a hierarchy of significance in other words.
However, we have the fact that myth is comparative, persistant, and iconographic. It's symbols have duration so it's not as if there is no framework for historical comparrison or even juxtraposition in other culture frameworks. If we see the symbols come up in multiple contexts we have a beginning point and if enough elements translate into relationships in another context, the language of symbol and sign speaks, even if it cannot tell the whole story.
It's like trying to break a code ... if the value of one element is known, it casts light on the meaning of the others. But, without the "bam", its cognates are diminishing values. It is still a matter of interpretation.
The centerpiece is the omphalos, which to the ancients was usually a "stone". The Egyptian omphalos was the ben ben stone. The Greek version was an omphalos such as was kept at Dodona. Something not recognized as an omphalos but which formed the function of an omphalos was the Aztec prickly pear cactus. Jacob's stone was also an omphalos, or type of pillar. It is the function of the "pillar" which is important. It acted as an anchor. Birds were usually associated with the omphalos, a dove, a falcon, or an ibis, or even a ladder, since the archetypal thought includes the thought of descending and ascending.
Next, the guys in the "sky thingy": they appear in the MesoAmerican mythos as "the paddler gods", in exactly the same way. They are "old jaguar, stingray, and turtle", and are part of the Mayan cosmogenesis of  "first world". The "skythingy" is really a reed raft. But, of course, this "raft" is not being paddled on a river..it is being paddled on "celestial waters", traversing planets, sun, and moon, little different than Pharoah's boat.
In Aug of 3114 the zodiac stood vertical to the horizon in Sumer which was forming its early city states about that time. This is the beginning of the Mayan calendar., possibly of all calendars .The "world tree" or axis of the Milky Way to the horizon was celebrated as many things. The Maya pictured it this way: the paddler gods above the world tree which was iconographically made of waves of water falling vertically to the earth. It was a dualistic creation symbol. This "cross" of the elliptic with the Milky Way was always associated with water and the tree of life.
Hidding in the reeds is a horned serpent, on the lower left. In MesoAmerica for example this character appears as a serpent with deer antlers. In the Bible this character appears as Leviathin. We find him in Chinese myth as the water dragon, also horned, and in Scandanavian lore on the dragon boats and in the mythos of the sea serpent, or in Egypt as the "crocodile".
He is derived from one of the Babylonian MulAn, on that band of the Zodiac known as "Enki"s Way". Eventually he winds up as Orphiuchus in the  zodiac, the only real person in the "signs", in fact the 13th sign of Enki/Imhotep whose symbol was a "serpent". That is why the "serpent" is identified both with Enki and with Questzalcoatl.
So, who is fishguy...in MesoAmerica he is Kukulkan. But, there are some subtleties going on. In Queche Maya Kukulkan is Gugamatz. Ku..and Gu are dialects. Ku/Ku means "ancestors".."gu" means "fish".
But, back to the reed boat in the sky ...it is held aloft by a wing...in this case the tailfeathers of a falcon/eagle. Recall what I said about the Aztec omphalos ... an eagle holding a serpent in its talons and alighting on a prickly pear cactus. This omphalos was the centre of T-Enoch_titlan.
What is going on in this seal is in my opinion an astronomer priest similar to Oannes/Kulkulkan explaining the world tree to the person who used the seal as a priestly sign of authority. It meant that he was "schooled" in the ancestral traditions of Shinar and that he knew the cosmology of creation. I also think there were many Kukulkans ... ie, fish -priests. They were always seen to have come "from the sea". Their attire signified the waters above in which the stars floated. Essentially they were the calendar makers and culture bearers.
What is interesting about this mythos is that it is the myth of Satan who bears all these characteristics as secondary values, once you see it. This "character" also goes "to and fro and up and down" in the form of the cross of the world tree. It is no different to this day...Oannes appears in the garb of the Pope as the fish-guy, as hierophant of mysteries. There is far more in this little clay seal than people might expect, not because I'm reading "into" it either. There is layer upon layer in our own mythic understanding of the world.

[roadrunner]

Here's Mimas, another moon of Saturn.



For an impact crater, this has a very interesting shape. That would mean that whatever impacted it was hollow in the center and it is 130 km across, its diameter is almost a third of the moon's own diameter; its walls are approximately 5 km high, parts of its floor measure 10 km deep, and its central peak rises 6 km above the crater floor.

[Bluehorse]

With no atmosphere to slow a "meteor" the impact is greater.  Also, with gravity at such low numbers, the after-effects of a stirke would likely be a different arrangement of features. It would not be so symetrical, especially if rotation is still occuring. And what is not explained is this: impact distribution...these are spheres!!!! meterorites coming from all directions with seemingly a total coverage of the sphere???
I think the theory of comets and asteroids is bunk. There is something else going on here and I don't understand it at all, perhaps some energetic phenomenonon for which we as yet have no model.
There must be some other explanation .... other factors not even considered...one of the least understood sciences is planetary formation in whatever form...if there was a "formative age" we don't have all the information...so, we make theories accordingly...subject to change. This "cosmic ball" would have been kicked all over the football field...as it were. If so, there must have been an extremely violent age. Nor could it have been that long in duration or there would more intersecting impact zones. What's hard to believe is that the impact distibution seems so uniform.

[roadrunner]

Yes, I agree. And what makes Saturn's moons so interesting is that they seem to defy the established pattern of other moons in the solar system, especially Iapetus. There is absolutely no other moon like it, and then these odd impact craters....something is not right here.

[roadrunner]

Another view of Mimas.
I don't know what is with the two 'sides' to the picture, as it appears that the division doesn't follow through on the bottom part of the photograph.

[Bluehorse]

OK...a metaphysical rant:

There are a number of cosmic forces described in the scrtiptures  is iron and clay. This is suggested to me by the "blistered" surface features of Mimas. The application of the idea of iron and clay is not so far off, when one realizes the two formative forces being utilized in the production of "pots + kiln" and "iron + heat".
A potter's wheel depends on centrifical force to produce a centre of gravity in a mass. The iron must be smelted in a forge/crucible under intense heat.
"Iron and clay do not cleeve": in the smelting process the clay forms slake and rises to the surface. On a potter's wheel, the heavier iron would throw the pot apart. That is why clay must be uniform to work it. And, it must be kneeded, or it will explode in the kiln. That is, consistency of mass is an essential to a successful "firing".
A differnetial in mass can be anything...water, air, type of clay, ...an unequal expansion of heat will crack the pot.
What you can see on Mimas are two things..."blisters" and "craters". A "blister" is a gas dome. A "crater" is a collapsed "blister". ( I used to blow glass so I've watched these things in glory holes, especially when using melts of different glasses. ) A glory hole is just a glass furnace. An annealing oven is the opposite of a kiln, a high temperature furnace used to slowly reduce the temperature of the fired glass. If not, the glass would cool too fast and shatter because heatloss isn't uniform in an irregular object.  Neither are two pieces ever identical unless great care is taken to make it so, especially when it comes to composition. Another story.
( Hey, it's Friday nite and I don't have a date...)

Now, what would happen if the internal heat of a semi-molten blob were still slaking into the surface tensions of a formative moon that also had a high spin. Blisters would form in the intense cold of space. They would be of all shapes and sizes. They would shatter. Some would vent elsewhere and not shatter. Some would not even emerge to the surface and form gas pockets underground, beneath the surface. And, if my little theory holds any water, you would other features also, such as glass, which would raise the albedo, or surface reflectivity. In fact, I'm sure you'd find a lot of the features people moon about, like walls, towers, and tubes, especially if electrical effects are a part of the model.

The node at the centre of a crater is the primary vent. It's just that we've never seen one "explode" and blow off or the dust settle.

[roadrunner]

Wouldn't these moons have to contain large amounts of silica in order to produce glass?

[Bluehorse]

Why wouldn't they? The moon does. And it has even "rained" glass on the earth. If "vulcanism" is part of the process of "formation" then glass dust would be a given. The Egyptians prized this "glass" very highly and it is still collected in the Sahara ... it's composition is quite strange.
I like the interpretation of Gen 1 as "Aforetime....." rather than "In the beginning..."
It implies that succeeding "yoms" are a theological construction, the basis of any calendar.
My little joke is that ET time is "earth time". Now I'm being sardonic. Maybe I'm chronophobic. I think our whole culture is.... and it's driving people crazy in more ways than a mad hatter. It's not about money...it's about money on time. Now we're all dancing to the same clock...if anything capsizes civilization this is it. Whoever said the devil can't dance? I tell ya, we're loosing our souls to time. Metaphysically our goose is cooked before we even have the time to think about our destiny and its origins.
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