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[facedown]

I cannot think of any verse right now. Do you know any?

Why does Paul always refer to the Father as God and Jesus as the Lord?
This sounds like Paul does not believe Jesus is God. 

[David]

I cannot think of any verse right now. Do you know any?

Why does Paul always refer to the Father as God and Jesus as the Lord?
This sounds like Paul does not believe Jesus is God.  

Read Ephesians 2

David

[DennisS]

"the letters of Paul are pastoral, missionary, and theological responses to existing needs and problems in the young Christian congregations.  They are occasional in nature.  Paul nowhere presents a systematic Christology or theology, and no one letter can be regarded as a comprehensive presentation."

  Page 45 of"Pauline Christology" in Christology:  An Ecumenical, International, and Contextual Perspective by Karkkainen.

You might want to look at what it means to be "Son of God", as it brings with it the understanding of being God.

At the beginning of Paul's letters, Christ is exalted to an equal position with the Father - which certainly would not have been overlooked by the Jews.

Also note that Paul applies to Christ (as Lord) some of the OT passages that originally quite clearly referred to YHWH (such as Rom. 10:13 from Joel 2:32).

Paul clearly regards Christ both as a real human being and as a divine being.  Paul believes in the preexistence of Christ (I especially love the Christ hymn in Philippians 2).

This is a short answer for me, but time is a bit limited right now.  Paul doesn't spell it out all in one place - but that wasn't his purpose (see the quote above).

[facedown]

Thanks.But does this mean that Jesus is Yahwe? I thought that the Father is Yahwe?
When you say Jesus is Yahwe then this sounds a bit like there is no trinity and it's only 1 person in the godhead which takes different shapes. 

[DennisS]

I'm sure there are plenty of resources available regarding the Trinity - of how Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are equal, and yet distinct.  Beware of Modalism, where the thought is that God simply takes different manifestations at various times.  This would make Jesus praying many times to himself, and the voice from Heaven at Jesus' baptism and transfiguration as Jesus projecting his voice like a ventriloquist. The historic creeds would be a good place to start in looking at the Trinity.  Jesus being "One" with the Father points to their being equal, along with the Holy Spirit.

[facedown]

Beware of Modalism, where the thought is that God simply takes different manifestations at various times.  This would make Jesus praying many times to himself, and the voice from Heaven at Jesus' baptism and transfiguration as Jesus projecting his voice like a ventriloquist.

I don't know how people can believe this. It makes no sense at all.
They have to try to come up with strange explanations like for example when Jesus was praying to the Father in the garden
then it was basically a conversation between the human side of Jesus and the divine side of Jesus.
It simply makes no sense. In order to believe this you have to ignore a lot of verses in the bible and still some believe it and
think that they got it all figured out while all the others are wrong.

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