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« on: April 03, 2010, 01:14:26 AM »

Fear, sin and doubt are all bad.

Now Jesus says in the bible fear not. Does this mean a christian never has to fear and if he does then it is always a sin? Is it possible to never fear no matter what situation you are in?
Even if God expects it from us, is it really possible?
The same way you could say the bible say nobody has to sin and this means we can live without sinning but obviously nobody gets this done.

Is it good or right to put pressure on people and tell them they must not fear? What if being told you must not fear doesn't help you not to fear but instead only makes you become afraid of being afraid? What if it causes the exact opposite because of the pressure which it puts on you?

But the problem is that Jesus also said fear not. 
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 11:45:30 AM »

Fear, sin and doubt are all bad.

Now Jesus says in the bible fear not. Does this mean a christian never has to fear and if he does then it is always a sin? Is it possible to never fear no matter what situation you are in?
Even if God expects it from us, is it really possible?
The same way you could say the bible say nobody has to sin and this means we can live without sinning but obviously nobody gets this done.

Is it good or right to put pressure on people and tell them they must not fear? What if being told you must not fear doesn't help you not to fear but instead only makes you become afraid of being afraid? What if it causes the exact opposite because of the pressure which it puts on you?

But the problem is that Jesus also said fear not. 

If you are following Jesus in obedience to God, then you have nothing to fear. Yet we are frail people who easily loose sight and fall into all kinds of temptations, including fear. Start with the basics every day and you will fare better when situations that might strike fear into the heart of a non-believer.

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 12:06:57 PM »

Now Jesus says in the bible fear not.  ...  Is it good or right to put pressure on people and tell them they must not fear?


It's interesting that you hear that as a coercive statement.  Sometimes reading God's word is like looking at one of those optical illusions where it's possible to see two different images, depending on how you process what you see.  In the case of the Bible, the two images are Law and Gospel. 

You should consider whether there's a different way to hear what God is saying.

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 01:47:11 PM »

I read the subject line as "Are Christians to have NO fear, sin, or doubt?"  This is based upon how the original post was worded about Jesus saying "fear not".

Why would you quote only two words, and leave the rest behind?  Since you did not mention the biblical reference I can only figure you are pointing to Mt. 10:31.  This is in the context of Jesus sending out the 12, and they are to go to the lost sheep of Israel specifically.  He begins by giving them "power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. (Mt 10:1, KJV).

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Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthinge? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
The Holy Bible  : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Mt 10:26-33).

Luke puts it even more emphatic about this fear the disciples are to have...
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But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!
(Lk 12:5, NRSV).

Perhaps we need to discuss this more, as there is probably confusion over Whom it is that Jesus says to fear.

Interesting that Jesus doesn't rebuke the disciples the multiple times they display fear.  He doesn't disown them when they leave the scene when he is arrested.  Or consider the response here:
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  And early in the morning he came walking toward them on the sea. 26 But when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were terrified, saying, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out in fear. 27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them and said, “Take heart, it is I; do not be afraid.”
(Mt 14:25-27, NRSV).

This sounds a lot to me like:  "Calm down.  It's just me."  Not, "get over your fears you sissies, or you can't be in my army.  Shape up or ship out".  ;-)  They had already "shipped out" of course.  laughing-smiley-002

Did the church become apostate in her earliest days because of fear?

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How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to usa but to God!” 5 Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it. 6 The young men came and wrapped up his body, then carried him out and buried him.
7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you and your husband sold the land for such and such a price.” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things.
  (Ac 5:4-11).

Doubt?  Was Thomas cast out of the number, or even rebuked for his doubt?  (John 20)

Fear and doubt will be overcome, but they are part of life here.  They are not indicators of who are true Christians and who are not.

Sin cannot be found among followers of Christ?  Then what of Paul when he says he does the very things he desires not to do?

As we draw nearer to Christ, as we become part of the body of Christ, sewn into the fabric (if you will) and more completely formed in the image of God, then it does become easier to love and be loved, to let go of fear and doubt, and to be transformed such that we no longer desire the worldly things.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 10:19:06 AM »

I did not really have a specific verse in mind where Jesus says fear not but as far as I remember he says it a few times.
I mailed with a pastor and he told me that since Jesus said "fear not" this means we don't have to fear otherwise God would
be unfair to require things from us we cannot do.
I wonder is he right with this or is he too radical? Not everything which is radical is healthy.
A christian for example who struggles with anxiety isn't really helped by being told that he must not fear, is he? Then being
told that he must not fear will only increase the pressure.
That's like being told "you must not think of a black cat!" and then everybody starts thinking of a black cat wether he wants
to or not.
But Jesus wasn't ignorant of this, I mean as God he must have known everything. Jesus must have understood psychology,
so then I ask myself how did Jesus mean the fear not stuff. Did he mean it in a threatening sense like "Fear not or..."?

Another problem is not "being allowed" to doubt. Jesus said if you speak to a mountain you must not doubt in your heart otherwise
it won't work. James also says a wavering man gets nothing from God. This puts a tremendous pressure on the christian cause he
must not doubt otherwise he has no chance of getting a prayer answered.
How does being told you must not doubt help a person which already struggles with doubts? Then the more you're told you must not doubt the more you focus on doubting and then you doubt even more.
It would be much more liberating if you could also get doubts and have some weaknesses but there seems to be no place for that because Jesus himself said those things. Sad

Another thing I also don't understand is the size of faith. Jesus said that faith of the size of a mustard seed could move mountains, this means that the size of the faith doesn't matter. But when Peter walks on the water and becomes afraid and sinks then Jesus criticizes Peter and says that he has little faith. How does this fit together? First he says that size doesn't matter and then he says Peter has little faith.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 11:53:07 AM »

I love this line (in bold)...

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Jesus asked the father, “How long has this been happening to him?” And he said, “From childhood. 22 It has often cast him into the fire and into the water, to destroy him; but if you are able to do anything, have pity on us and help us.” 23 Jesus said to him, “If you are able!—All things can be done for the one who believes.” 24 Immediately the father of the child cried out, “I believe; help my unbelief!” 25 When Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You spirit that keeps this boy from speaking and hearing, I command you, come out of him, and never enter him again!” 26 After crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, “He is dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he was able to stand. 28 When he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, “Why could we not cast it out?” 29 He said to them, “This kind can come out only through prayer.”
(Mk 9:21-29; NRSV).
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 11:54:04 AM »

In a series of books called “Handfuls on Purpose”, the authors wrote:  “Strange fears possess the souls of many.  Even some great ones of the earth have not been free from them.  Dr. Samuel Johnson, with all his philosophy, was very careful not to enter a room with his left foot foremost.  If by any chance he did so, we would immediately step back and reenter with his right foot foremost.  He was terribly afraid of death, too, and would not suffer it to be mentioned in his presence.  Julius Caesar, to whom the shouts of thousands of the enemy were but sweet music, was mortally afraid of the sound of thunder and always wanted to be underground to escape the dreadful noise.  Marshal Saxe, who loved to look upon the ranks of opposing armies, fled and screamed in terror at the sight of a cat.  Peter the Great could scarcely be persuaded to cross a bridge, and whenever he placed his foot on one he would cry out with fear.”
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 11:54:58 AM »

Martin Luther, in writing a publication called Table Talk, wrote that God and the devil take opposite tactics in regard to fear.  The Lord first allows us to become afraid, that he might relieve our fears and comfort us.  The devil, on the other hand, first makes us feel secure in our pride and sins, that we might later be overwhelmed with fear and despair.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2010, 02:29:57 AM »

I don't really understand why Jesus helped the man with the son because the man obviously had unbelief.
The bible says Jesus could NOT do miracles in his hometown because of the unbelief of the people.
The disciples could not cast out the demon because of unbelief.
Jesus said about prayer that when you speak to a mountain and do not doubt in your heart then you'll get what you asked
for.
Now if doubt and unbelief are so bad and counterbalance faith then why did Jesus help the man who had unbelief?
If today a christian prays the same and says "I believe help my unbelief" then according to what Jesus said he cannot get anything
from God. James reaffirms the same, that a wavering man gets nothing from God.
Then why did Jesus not tell the man with the son "sorry, can't help ya because of your unbelief"?
Did Jesus only help the man because not helping him would have negatively affected his image cause there were people watching and they would have seen that Jesus sent away the man without helping him?
Why are today not all sick christians who pray something like "I believe, help my unbelief" cured?
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2010, 06:46:10 AM »

I don't really understand why Jesus helped the man

Grace! God helps those with unbelief to help strengthen their belief.

God is great!

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 12:54:35 PM »

God needs the faith of people in order to do miracles?  How would it be possible to even start creation?  Whose faith was required for this miracle (John 9:1-12; NRSV) to take place:

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As he walked along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that God’s works might be revealed in him. 4 Wea must work the works of him who sent meb while it is day; night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 When he had said this, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva and spread the mud on the man’s eyes, 7 saying to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). Then he went and washed and came back able to see. 8 The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar began to ask, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some were saying, “It is he.” Others were saying, “No, but it is someone like him.” He kept saying, “I am the man.” 10 But they kept asking him, “Then how were your eyes opened?” 11 He answered, “The man called Jesus made mud, spread it on my eyes, and said to me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.’ Then I went and washed and received my sight.” 12 They said to him, “Where is he?” He said, “I do not know.”

Jesus DID NOT do many deeds of power in his hometown - does not mean he could not:
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He came to his hometown and began to teach the peopleh in their synagogue, so that they were astounded and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these deeds of power? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “Prophets are not without honor except in their own country and in their own house.” 58 And he did not do many deeds of power there, because of their unbelief.
(Mt 13:54-58).

Now, if you bother to look up the Scripture reference before posting, you would have chosen to quote Mark 6:
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He left that place and came to his hometown, and his disciples followed him. 2 On the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astounded. They said, “Where did this man get all this? What is this wisdom that has been given to him? What deeds of power are being done by his hands! 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him. 4 Then Jesus said to them, “Prophets are not without honor, except in their hometown, and among their own kin, and in their own house.” 5 And he could do no deed of power there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and cured them. 6 And he was amazed at their unbelief.
  (Mk 6:1-6).

Before making this statement to mean that Jesus had no power - except that given him by the people - you just might want to consider a deeper study of the text.  First, does curing some sick people not qualify as a "deed of power"?  Does having acknowledged wisdom and teaching and deeds of power that astound - are these somehow also not showing the power of Jesus in his hometown?

You assume that he could do no miracle because of their unbelief.  Are these two things even in the same sentence, with one pointing directly to the other?  It does NOT directly say that Jesus could do no deed of power there because of their unbelief.

Is there perhaps some other reason that Jesus could do no deed of power there?  What comes before this statement?  Honor?  Who would be honored if Jesus did miracles in his hometown?  Would it be his heavenly Father, or would it increase the pride of the area, resulting in the honor being misplaced?

Now, you can try to say that I am twisting Scripture to say what it doesn't say.  But before you go down that road consider what the wider text is saying.  Are there any other places where Scripture says Jesus couldn't do signs/wonders/deeds of power because his power was limited by the faith of people?  This alone doesn't mean that it isn't the case, but looking at the wider witness of Scripture can be very helpful.  I don't see where any other texts say Jesus is limited by other people.

Then perhaps we could take a deeper look at what is going on in the Gospel of Mark.  I happen to love Mark 6.  Jesus was amazed at the unbelief of the people in his hometown, but I'm amazed that more people don't put two and two together in the Gospel.

Jesus began his ministry after John the baptizer was beheaded by Herod.  And yet, all of a sudden this story shows up in Mark 6.  Shouldn't we ask why?  I believe it is found here, right before the feeding of the 5000, to compare and contrast some very important things.

These were two very different feasts - the birthday party with "honored" officials invited, compared to the feeding of 5000 with no invitation list.  In the first, the banquet was in regard to Herod's birthday, but he is throwing the part for his courtiers and officers and leaders of the people.  Who is honored in this?  And who is honored in the feeding of the 5000?  And what is mentioned as being served at each of these banquets?  Only death is served at Herod's banquet - John's head was served on a platter.  For all the lavishness of the banquet, in comparison, in the feeding of the 5000 there were how many basketfulls collect after the meal?

I could go on, but I think you see that sometimes things are placed together in the Gospel of Mark for an important reason.  Now, if you will look through the entire Gospel of Mark, looking for references to "faith" and "honor" - and not just where these specific words appear - potentially outlining the text, then I hope you will learn much about where honor is to be directed, how faith can save, and how Jesus sometimes chooses not to take action at the prompting of others (remember the tempting - to turn stones to bread, to jump from the pinnacle of the Temple, to have all the kingdoms of the world if he will bow down to the devil).

There is another direction to go with here as well.  Consider John 6:1-13 by itself as a unit.  What is being compared and contrasted here?  Who all is able to heal?  What resources do they have?  Why are they only staying and doing miracles where they are welcome?  Now ask if this is primarily about the faith of those being healed, or about honor?
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 11:56:24 PM »

I also have a problem with this. On the one hand the James says without faith you cannot please God and that a wavering man gets nothing from God.
Jesus himself also said that we must not doubt in our hearts when he pray. Btw, how is doubting in the heart defined? What's the heart anyway? The brain? How shall I know if I doubt in the heart or somewhere else?

Those who say God can only heal if faith is present have a problem explaining how Jesus can command the disciples to heal the sick. If the healing of the sick depends only on the faith of the sick then the disciple has no influence on it at all. Then why did Jesus tell them to heal the sick?

I also heard the argument that some of Jesus' healings were done through the power of the Holy Spirit while others were normal healing based on the faith of the sick.
After all Jesus often asked the sick wether they believe that He can do this. Faith clearly seems to play a role, this cannot be denied. But what I don't really believe is that God absolutely cannot heal if a person doesn't have faith.  Huh?
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 11:00:48 AM »

Face, There is a difference between having faith in God, essentially beyond any shadow of doubt that He exists, and believing that He will do anything for you. Who are we that God should notice us and do give us something we ask for?

There are several types of healing. Jesus healed people before they know who He was. That was the power of God magnified in order to bring about faith. Another type was resurrection. The person was dead. They had no way to express anything. That was also used to magnify the power of God to people. Then there were those who knew that Jesus could heal them because they knew who He was. In these cases Jesus says they were healed because of the faith they had in God, in Jesus.

Without faith we are dead in our sins. Of course healings are for more than the physical health of a single person, it is for the spiritual health of an entire people!

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 01:40:18 AM »

Who are we that God should notice us and do give us something we ask for?

Noooooh!

This is not what I am talking about. I am not talking about demanding 50.000 $ from God. I am talking about having FAITH
in promises which GOD made in the BIBLE.
Unless one assumes that God had a bad memory or that God is a liar or that God is sometimes drunk and doesn't know what he's saying, a promise from God should be something a believer can trust on.

Now if God promises physical healing (psalm 103) in the bible then believers should be able to appropriate it and this has nothing to do with forcing God or twisting His arm because He (GOD) made the promise in the first place.

But I already know that you're not gonna accept this and find an excuse why believers today don't have to take the bible at face value. This way you also can't have faith in anything besides probably getting saved.

Some verses for you to ponder. It's sad but from your reply it is obvious that you do not think biblically. Find out what the bible says and not what your pastor says or what religion and tradition say. With your "I am a pathetic worm, I hope God doesn't crush me" thinking you're going nowhere. I urge you to challenge your views and put them to the test.

Luk 11:5  And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Luk 11:6  For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
Luk 11:7  And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
Luk 11:9  And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12  Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


Rom 8:32  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2Co 1:20  For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Gal 3:13  Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Hos 4:6  My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.


Deu 28:1  And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Deu 28:2  And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:3  Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4  Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5  Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6  Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:7  The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
Deu 28:8  The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 28:9  The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deu 28:10  And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
Deu 28:11  And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Deu 28:12  The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
Deu 28:13  And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
Deu 28:14  And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

Deu 28:15  But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Deu 28:16  Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:17  Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:18  Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:19  Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:20  The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
Deu 28:21  The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:22  The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
Deu 28:23  And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
Deu 28:24  The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:25  The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
Deu 28:26  And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
Deu 28:27  The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
Deu 28:28  The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
Deu 28:29  And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Deu 28:30  Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
Deu 28:31  Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
Deu 28:32  Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
Deu 28:33  The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
Deu 28:34  So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:35  The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
Deu 28:36  The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
Deu 28:37  And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deu 28:38  Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
Deu 28:39  Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Deu 28:40  Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
Deu 28:41  Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
Deu 28:42  All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
Deu 28:43  The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
Deu 28:44  He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Deu 28:45  Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deu 28:46  And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
Deu 28:47  Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
Deu 28:48  Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:49  The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Deu 28:50  A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
Deu 28:51  And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:52  And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deu 28:53  And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Deu 28:54  So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
Deu 28:55  So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
Deu 28:56  The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
Deu 28:57  And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
Deu 28:58  If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deu 28:59  Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Deu 28:60  Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Deu 28:61  Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:62  And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:63  And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:64  And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
Deu 28:65  And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
Deu 28:66  And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
Deu 28:67  In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:68  And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
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